+DN 7 Jāliya:
with Jāliya
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with Jāliya
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| (derived from B. Sujato 2018/12) | ||
| Dīgha Nikāya 7 | Long Discourses 7 | |
| Jāliyasutta | With Jāliya | |
| Evaṃ me sutaṃ— | So I have heard. | |
| ekaṃ samayaṃ bhagavā kosambiyaṃ viharati ghositārāme. | At one time the Buddha was staying near Kosambi, in Ghosita’s Monastery. | |
| Tena kho pana samayena dve pabbajitā— | Now at that time two renunciates— | |
| muṇḍiyo ca paribbājako jāliyo ca dārupattikantevāsī yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkamiṃsu; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṃ sammodiṃsu. | the wanderer Muṇḍiya and Jāliya the pupil of Dārupattika—came to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him. | |
| Sammodanīyaṃ kathaṃ sāraṇīyaṃ vītisāretvā ekamantaṃ aṭṭhaṃsu. Ekamantaṃ ṭhitā kho te dve pabbajitā bhagavantaṃ etadavocuṃ: | When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they stood to one side and said to the Buddha: |
+7.1 – he asks Buddha if soul and body are same thing
| “kiṃ nu kho, āvuso gotama, taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīraṃ, udāhu aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran”ti? | “Reverend Gotama, are the soul and the body the same thing, or they are different things?” | |
| “Tena hāvuso, suṇātha sādhukaṃ manasi karotha, bhāsissāmī”ti. | “Well then, reverends, listen and pay close attention, I will speak.” | |
| “Evamāvuso”ti kho te dve pabbajitā bhagavato paccassosuṃ. | “Yes, reverend,” they replied. | |
| Bhagavā etadavoca: | The Buddha said this: | |
| “idhāvuso, tathāgato loke uppajjati arahaṃ, sammāsambuddho … pe … | “Take the case when a Realized One arises in the world, perfected, a fully awakened Buddha … | |
| Evaṃ kho, āvuso, bhikkhu sīlasampanno hoti. … pe … |
That’s how a mendicant is accomplished in ethics. … |
+7.2 – (7sb awakening sequence)
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+7.3 – (4 jhānas)
| … pe … Paṭhamaṃ jhānaṃ upasampajja viharati. |
They enter and remain in the first absorption … | |
| Yo kho, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, kallaṃ nu kho tassetaṃ vacanāya: | When a mendicant knows and sees like this, would it be appropriate to say of them: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’?” | |
| Yo so, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, kallaṃ tassetaṃ vacanāya: ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. |
“It would, reverend.” | |
| Ahaṃ kho panetaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ jānāmi evaṃ passāmi. | “But reverends, I know and see like this. | |
| Atha ca panāhaṃ na vadāmi: | Nevertheless, I do not say: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vā … pe … | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’. … | |
| dutiyaṃ jhānaṃ … | They enter and remain in the second absorption … | |
| tatiyaṃ jhānaṃ … | third absorption … | |
| catutthaṃ jhānaṃ upasampajja viharati. | fourth absorption. | |
| Yo kho, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, kallaṃ nu kho tassetaṃ vacanāya: | When a mendicant knows and sees like this, would it be appropriate to say of them: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti? | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’?” | |
| Yo so, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati kallaṃ, tassetaṃ vacanāya: ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. |
“It would, reverend.” | |
| Ahaṃ kho panetaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ jānāmi evaṃ passāmi. | “But reverends, I know and see like this. | |
| Atha ca panāhaṃ na vadāmi: | Nevertheless, I do not say: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vā … pe … | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’. … | |
| ñāṇadassanāya cittaṃ abhinīharati abhininnāmeti … | They extend and project the mind toward knowledge and vision … |
+7.4 – after jhāna + wisdom they can see if soul and body are same
| yo kho, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, kallaṃ nu kho tassetaṃ vacanāya: | When a mendicant knows and sees like this, would it be appropriate to say of them: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’?” | |
| Yo so, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati kallaṃ tassetaṃ vacanāya: ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. |
“It would, reverend.” | |
| Ahaṃ kho panetaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ jānāmi evaṃ passāmi. | “But reverends, I know and see like this. | |
| Atha ca panāhaṃ na vadāmi: | Nevertheless, I do not say: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vā … pe …. | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’. … | |
| Nāparaṃ itthattāyāti pajānāti. | They understand: ‘… there is no return to any state of existence.’ | |
| Yo kho, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, kallaṃ nu kho tassetaṃ vacanāya: | When a mendicant knows and sees like this, would it be appropriate to say of them: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti? | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’?” | |
| Yo so, āvuso, bhikkhu evaṃ jānāti evaṃ passati, na kallaṃ tassetaṃ vacanāya: ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vāti. |
“It would not, reverend.” | |
| Ahaṃ kho panetaṃ, āvuso, evaṃ jānāmi evaṃ passāmi. | “But reverends, I know and see like this. | |
| Atha ca panāhaṃ na vadāmi: | Nevertheless, I do not say: | |
| ‘taṃ jīvaṃ taṃ sarīran’ti vā ‘aññaṃ jīvaṃ aññaṃ sarīran’ti vā”ti. | ‘The soul and the body are the same thing’ or ‘The soul and the body are different things’.” | |
| Idamavoca bhagavā. | That is what the Buddha said. | |
| Satisfied, the two renunciates were happy with what the Buddha said. | Satisfied, the two renunciates were happy with what the Buddha said. | |
| Attamanā te dve pabbajitā bhagavato bhāsitaṃ abhinandunti. | Attamanā te dve pabbajitā bhagavato bhāsitaṃ abhinandunti. |
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